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oever532
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:25 am |
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He is eager to join the army and fight the Martians though, but his father (Ray) resists, and his sister Rachel also doen't want him to go.
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Leper Messiah
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:21 pm |
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oever532 wrote: He is eager to join the army and fight the Martians though, but his father (Ray) resists, and his sister Rachel also doen't want him to go.
I don't think its an intentional connection. Robbie doesnt have any traits, characteristics or dialogue in common with the artillaryman. Its a threadbare connection at best and really I dont think its substantial enough to be considered as a reference to the book. Also what has his families resistance to Robbie's departure got to do with anything from the book?
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oever532
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:30 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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I'd say nothing. It's probably something of Spielberg. The Spielberg movie is now topping the Dutch Cinema list for 3 - 4 weeks on end...
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Leper Messiah
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:44 pm |
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Speilberg and Cruise in "their name attracts people to cinemas for about the millionth time" shock
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oever532
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:49 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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So you see the movie does it very good at all!
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Lonesome Crow
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:32 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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Leper Messiah wrote: I don't think its an intentional connection. Robbie doesnt have any traits, characteristics or dialogue in common with the artillaryman. Its a threadbare connection at best and really I dont think its substantial enough to be considered as a reference to the book. Also what has his families resistance to Robbie's departure got to do with anything from the book?
I don't see Robbie as the artillaryman He is more like the narrator's wife, She was feared dead when Leatherhead was destroyed, only to turn up, alive and well, at the end of the book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DldFBFJgWmw&feature=player_embedded
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Yuri2356
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:34 pm |
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Lonesome Crow wrote: I don't see Robbie as the artillaryman He is more like the narrator's wife, She was feared dead when Leatherhead was destroyed, only to turn up, alive and well, at the end of the book.
One would kind of think that the Narrator's wife was... well... Ray's wife.
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Lonesome Crow
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:37 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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But you weren't left, feeling Ray's wife was dead. I don't think gender is important here, it's just a missing family member.
there is even a passage in the book where the narrator says "I remember feeling angry with my wife" very much like Ray's and Robbie's conflict.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DldFBFJgWmw&feature=player_embedded
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Leper Messiah
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:21 am |
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again, dubious at best. I dont see either of Ray's children as having any connection to the book whatsoever. The only way they can be assosiated with anything in the book is in only the most general terms. The Narrators anger with his wife is a passing thing and their relationship as a whole bears no similarity at all to the Ray/Robbie storyline. The children in 05 are a big falling down point for the film precisely because they have nothing to do with the source material.
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Loz
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:27 am |
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Martian War Lord |
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I mentioned the red weed being in the new film and the book, also we see the red weed dieing before we see the martians dieing. Another point to 05.
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oever532
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:37 am |
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Martian War Lord |
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And what about that man being drained, while Cruise and co hid by that Ogilvy character?
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Loz
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:22 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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I think I mentioned that they feed on us/sort of/anyway. But the situation in which it is seen is also the same.
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oever532
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:29 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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So the movie of 2005 is more faithfullier to the book?
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Loz
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:35 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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So far it is.
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oever532
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:39 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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That's then probably settled, then, or are there more points to add to either movie.
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Leper Messiah
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:05 pm |
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the 2005 WOTW carries more direct book stuff but that doesnt mean its more faithfull to the story. The 1953 film as ive attempted to explain but not really succeeded, has the War Of The Worlds atmosphere, the 2005 one doesnt in my opinion. It has an atmosphere to be sure but not the one of our story, in spite of the stuff it does use from the book. Also the 53 film has a lot of stuff that is adapted but is essentially still there. The atom bomb/thunderchild connection is a good example to point out. In my view, 53 is the superior adaptation.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:35 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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What was the Thunder Child reference in the 2005 movie?
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Yuri2356
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:01 pm |
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We didn't get one. The closest that '05 comes to a Thunder Child sequence is that huge battle on the other side of the Hill that we don't get to see. (Which is realy much closer to the first fights on Horsell Common, or at Wheybridge and Shepperton)
I've heard that there may have been something planned for the movie where it splits into two plots, one following Robbie after he runs off, where we would have seen his travels with the army and a Thuderchild-esque battle. (Like how the book has parts that focus on the narrator's brother in London)
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:12 pm |
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Martian War Lord |
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So we get some add-ons? They obviously must have been either deleted scenes or something else...
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:16 pm |
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oever532 wrote: So we get some add-ons? They obviously must have been either deleted scenes or something else...
If the scene were actually shot, then they'll probably be on the DVD.
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Loz
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:36 pm |
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It was far from perfect. But as an adaption in a modern setting of WOTW then it was very good. We all want to see the book done as close to the book filming will allow, but as a make do, it does.
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Leper Messiah
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:36 pm |
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Loz wrote: It was far from perfect. But as an adaption in a modern setting of WOTW then it was very good. We all want to see the book done as close to the book filming will allow, but as a make do, it does.
and there dear Loz, we disagree
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:01 am |
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Martian War Lord |
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At what point?
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Leper Messiah
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:50 pm |
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well Loz says its a good adaptation of WOTW and that it is passable as a version close to the book, thats the point we disagree at
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Loz
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:29 am |
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Martian War Lord |
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I didn't say it was passable as a version close to the book.
Its an adaptition set now, with major changes to the characters involved. But I can except that for a film set in Modern America. Just like the 53 film. I can except it and enjoy it, but it is far from the book.
For me the big thing that makes me enjoy this film is the fact that the Tripods are so well designed and realized on screen. I enjoy Justice League cartoons with Tripods in.
If Asylum had created Tripods instead of Hexapods, then I would have enjoyed it more.
I enjoyed the sense of fear and opression that ran through the film, I enjoyed the little nods to the book, film and radio play.
I think a modern setting in America means you can't go on that same journey as in the book. The character has to change for it to work.
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