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Author:  Martian Myster The New Ma [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:17 am ]
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According to a source Forbes.com the pendragon release looks likely to go straight to DVD and due to Paramounts copyright on WOTW internationally Pendragon cannot launch their film overseas. So it seems that us brits may never get to see this film :(<br /><br />If you would like to read the full article <a href='http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/0328/060.html' target='_blank'>CLICK HERE</a><br /><br />It would be interesting to read your thoughts on this so please post here.<br /><br />Cheers<br /><br /> :smoking:

Author:  Leper Messiah [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:52 pm ]
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despite the reports obvious bias it has one small nugget of news in so much as there is still copyright on WOTW in Europe which could indeed prevent Pendragon from releasing their film in Britain. I will acquire this movie one way or the other so it doesnt bother me too much.

Author:  Loz [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:57 pm ]
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It's a shame, pendragon are attempting to make something I have wanted to see for most of my life, but as time goes by I seriously doubt that they are going to have made an even half decent version of War of the Worlds. If they had made a truly great film then I doubt it would just wind up on DVD.<br />I just wished they hadn't bothered if it is going to be poor because it takes away the likelyhood of it ever being done well. <br />It was time for the book version, we had the pal film, that deviated but was a good film, now it was time for a faithful telling of the tale, with all its obvious unlikelyhoods, being part of the charm and selling point.<br />I'd like to see it and I will see it but I'm prepared to be dissapointed, more so than with Speilbergs, with him you know what you are getting and it will probably be a strong film. But with Hines's version I expect so much, my standard are so high for the imagining of Wells imagination, that I'm bound to be dissapointed.<br />Part of me wants to say its a shame for the small time film maker to wither under the shadow of the mighy film maker but a bigger part of me wants to shout - if you can't make it properly then don't make it at all! Don't build up my hopes and then dissapoint me.<br />Its not just the effects in Pendragon Trailer that look dodgy its the acting too.

Author:  Leper Messiah [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 1:00 pm ]
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Of course Loz because that article is a reliable basis for judging this movie....<br /><br />oh well, cue the other voices of doom floating in.

Author:  Optichris [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:32 pm ]
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I agree with Leper. You can't judge the movie based on this news. Hopefully it will come out here in the US theatrically, but if it doesnt, a DVD movie is better than no movie.

Author:  Martian Myster The New Ma [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:23 pm ]
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Its ashame that Hines cannot defend himself here. I would ask if Mr Hines ever read this thread that he takes the time to comment and put all this information at bay. As this could be a Paramount marketing stunt.<br /><br />Please prove us wrong.<br /><br />

Author:  Loz [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:25 pm ]
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Voice of doom, no voice of realism. Just because somebody is making a film of my favourite book does not mean they are going to do it remotely well. And so far the footage, I've seen, information I've gathered does not fill me with euphorism. <br />But don't get upset by what I think.<br />

Author:  Leper Messiah [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:35 pm ]
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<!--QuoteBegin-Loz+Mar 14 2005, 08:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Loz @ Mar 14 2005, 08:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Voice of doom, no voice of realism. Just because somebody is making a film of my favourite book does not mean they are going to do it remotely well. And so far the footage, I've seen, information I've gathered does not fill me with euphorism. <br />But don't get upset by what I think.<br />[right][snapback]2073[/snapback][/right]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />im not have no fear, but i do wonder what it has to do with the subject of this thread. im confused as to why in a thread about this news story you suddenly went off on a rant about how much you think the movie will be bad.

Author:  Loz [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:59 pm ]
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It wasn't a rant I was writing it really slowly, took almost an hour a word, more of a drool really!<br /><br />And what does, "im not have no fear, mean?" :)

Author:  Fenris [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:45 pm ]
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While this news, if accurate, is a shame, is anyone truly surprised?<br /><br />As an independent, low budget production, the chances of Pendragon's War of the Worlds obtaining a wide cinema release were always slim to non-existant. The best we could have hoped for were a handful of screenings in art house cinemas, followed by a widespread DVD release.<br /><br />The news that it might not even get the latter outside America - and that Paramount is flexing it's legal muscles to prevent a DVD release within the U.S. - is also not entirely unexpected. I originated a thread on this forum about the complex copyright issue and how Paramount might use it to their advantage (see 'Pendragon's Fate In Paramount's Hands?').<br /><br />I have always half-expected (and have mentioned it a couple of times on previous threads) that Paramount would use their industry clout to ensure that Pendragon's film would barely be seen. The thing to remember is once you add the marketing bill to the movie's already impressive budget, Paramount are spending over $200 million on War of the Worlds. With that kind of financial outlay at stake, they are not going to want to take even the very slimest of chances. <br /><br />Therefore, while any sane person can see that Hine's little art house film poses no threat to the Spielberg/Cruise juggernaut, to a Paramount executive any competition, any film that might tempt away even the smallest percentage of the potential paying audience for their movie, cannot be allowed. <br /><br />
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If they had made a truly great film then I doubt it would just wind up on DVD.
<br /><br />Loz, if you believe that it's a film's quality (ie: whether it's any good or not) that governs the kind of release it receives - and the size of that release - then I'm afraid you have no idea how the movie industry works. Each year, entertaining, interesting & above average movies fail to find a distributor or fall victim to studio politics, and get dumped straight to video or cable. Meanwhile, totally worthless films that cost a fortune - and therefore can't be allowed to fail - swamp the multiplexes. In fact, on the rare occasions that studio heads are honest with themselves & realise they've got a stinker on their hands, they often give it the widest release possible, filling so many screens that they make as much money as they can before the bad word-of-mouth kills the film after it's opening weekend.<br />

Author:  Leper Messiah [ Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:07 pm ]
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<!--QuoteBegin-Loz+Mar 14 2005, 08:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Loz @ Mar 14 2005, 08:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It wasn't a rant I was writing it really slowly, took almost an hour a word, more of a drool really!<br /><br />And what does, "im not have no fear, mean?" :)<br />[right][snapback]2088[/snapback][/right]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />"im not, have no fear" was in reply to you saying "dont get upset by what I think"<br /><br />

Author:  Loz [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:20 am ]
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<!--QuoteBegin-Leper Messiah+Mar 14 2005, 11:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Leper Messiah @ Mar 14 2005, 11:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"im not, have no fear" was in reply to you saying "dont get upset by what I think"<br />[right][snapback]2102[/snapback][/right]<br />[/quote]<br />Did you sneak a comma in there? <_<

Author:  Loz [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:22 am ]
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<!--QuoteBegin-Fenris+Mar 14 2005, 10:45 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fenris @ Mar 14 2005, 10:45 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Loz, if you believe that it's a film's quality (ie: whether it's any good or not) that governs the kind of release it receives - and the size of that release - then I'm afraid you have no idea how the movie industry works. Each year, entertaining, interesting & above average movies fail to find a distributor or fall victim to studio politics, and get dumped straight to video or cable. Meanwhile, totally worthless films that cost a fortune - and therefore can't be allowed to fail - swamp the multiplexes. In fact, on the rare occasions that studio heads are honest with themselves & realise they've got a stinker on their hands, they often give it the widest release possible, filling so many screens that they make as much money as they can before the bad word-of-mouth kills the film after it's opening weekend.<br />[right][snapback]2097[/snapback][/right]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No I understand, what I was saying is that if it was an incredible film we here would at least no about it

Author:  The Curate [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:37 am ]
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Politics,politics,politics.Anyone remember that book by Wells???(sad day) :(

Author:  The Curate [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:24 am ]
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Its a terrible shame(if it is indeed true) that a major company will 'spit its dummy out' and try to stop people seeing a true film adaptation of a book that BELONGS to their country of origin in the first place.Now,putting the corporate law bullsh*t to <br />one side for a second and using,lets say for instance,moral law then any judge in the land would 'laugh' this certain company out of court and all the way back over a certain ocean.Excuse me for being a bit dim here,but how can these pirates have any control over what gets released in our country.Now,i know that techically the british armed forces are run by this country but i was never aware that they controlled what we get to watch.The last time i heard of a country having to watch what they were told.......well they were usually occupied by nazi troops at the time!!Funny that...... <_< :D

Author:  McTodd [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:59 pm ]
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Hang on, where's your evidence that Paramount are actually doing anything to stop Pendragon?<br /><br />Now, I'm not one to defend corporations, but frankly I can't see where this 'Paramount are sabotaging Pendragon!' line is coming from. Okay, Paramount's lawyers are growling, but they've not actually done anything concrete, and it looks like UAV may ignore tham anyway. In any case, there's nothing to stop anyone in Europe buying the DVD from the US - heard of Amazon.com?<br /><br />Pendragon is a gnat by comparison, how are they going to affect the success of Paramount's film? The only reason Paramount may get heavy isn't because they're worried about Hinsey Boy's film per se, but so as not to set a precedent.<br /><br />In any case, if there are copyright issues, then why are Paramount to blame? If Pendragon couldn't resolve their copyright issues in Europe, then that's their lookout.<br /><br />You need to start looking where the real responsibility lies - Pendragon's utter ineptitude, lack of money, and (on the evidence of, oooh, everything I've seen so far, from their shoddy website design, to their inexplicable penchant for having their, frankly naff, trailers hosted on another ISP - I mean, what?!?!) their lack of talent.

Author:  Leper Messiah [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:39 pm ]
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Well, McTodd, its very simple, youre right they havnt done anything yet. However if they do, I will not see their movie in the cinema or on DVD, ill download it for precisely zero money.

Author:  McTodd [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:45 pm ]
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Oh aye, there's that option too, I'd forgotten about that!<br /><br />Mwah hah ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa...!!!!

Author:  The Curate [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:57 pm ]
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Well i hope Mr Hines can get round things if indeed the 'big wigs' at paramount do have a go at stopping a release over here.I personally find it mad if paramount were trying to stop a british cinematic release..........stopping a true adaptation being shown in the country it was written and based in :wacko: My smilie says it all.Lets hope that it isn't the case but you know the saying.....no smoke without fire.What i will say against Pendragon is this.......(and its only my opinion).With what Mr Hines has undertaken here with our book,out of any country on this planet that he should be fighting for as regards a cinematic release,is the good old UK.If your doing our book,then shouldn't it be shown here?Out of common decency at least.I've said this all along that if Mr Spielberg had done our book then.............WOW,its doesn't bear thinking about what treat we would of got.I think Pendragon should do a lot more.With Spielbergs film round the corner,who the hell in America is gonna rush to see pendragons film set in England.Sod that they will say,we can see a 200 million dollar version set in our own country.So to me,doesn't it make sense that surely if Pendragon 'hammered' their WOTW over here in the UK it would be better recieved.Thats my 'bitch' at Pendragon.<br /><br /><br />Pendragon,if your listening................open your eyes,fight goliath and get your story over here........coz we are waiting :D

Author:  McTodd [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:48 pm ]
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I really don’t think Pendragon have got any choice.<br /><br />It’s been clear for ages that for all their guff about a ‘worldwide cinema release’, that film will never see a cinema screen.<br /><br />It’s an amateurish indie flick which was only ever destined for a cheapo DVD release. I’ve seen more professional home videos. To try and say otherwise is to delude yourself.<br /><br />It ain’t Paramount, it’s Hines. Just look at his track record. The guy is, at best, a dreamer, at worst a huckster.

Author:  The Curate [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:11 pm ]
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Well if that is the case with Mr Hines then its a shame coz alot of people are going to be disapointed as regards him tackling a book like this.Lets hope we are wrong but this worldwide screening he has hinted at is 'not on' if he is just 'dreaming' like you say

Author:  Loz [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:30 pm ]
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Anyways if Speilberg and Cruise are such big fans of War of the Worlds they should be salvitating at the idea of seeing pendragon version. <br />They should be like-<br /> Speilberg: "hey those guys are making one of my favourite books into a film and sticking closer to the origional story than we are. and what's more I here they are struggling due to lack of funds to give it that fianal bit of umph, so lets help them out and give them a SH*T load of dosh, sos they can make it proper and fulfil our dreams!"<br /> Cruise: "But Stephen, won't it compete with our up to date version, and we'll lose out on an audiance percentage?"<br /> Speilberg: "Maybe Tom but I'd do anything to see War of the Worlds brought to life in its origional setting and all that goes with that."

Author:  Lonesome Crow [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:10 pm ]
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Loz, Loz,...<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>LOZ!. </span>Wake up your dreaming again :lol:

Author:  Loz [ Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:30 pm ]
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Oh, uh, Jees, I er, oh good lord, i was having this amazing dream, man. SH*T, I mean it wasw great and then I saw this big scary bird, woke me up. But for a minute I was in bliss, because Tom and Stephen had just...<br />Nah you'd never believe me! :unsure:

Author:  curious [ Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:40 am ]
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<!--QuoteBegin-Loz+Mar 15 2005, 09:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Loz @ Mar 15 2005, 09:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyways if Speilberg and Cruise are such big fans of War of the Worlds they should be salvitating at the idea of seeing pendragon version. <br />They should be like-<br /> [/quote]<br />Only problem is, it't not showing anywhere :P

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